Sadie Says … Love Forever.
My daughter and I were watching a program recently where one of the characters pledged to love the current object of her affection, her partner, forever. My daughter inexplicably paused the television and turned to me to ask, “But you can’t commit to an emotion for the rest of your life, can you? I mean, it’s an emotion. You can’t control your emotions like that, can you?”
She’s not quite twelve and the girl is already questioning the dynamics of love, the language surrounding it and the meanings that such language creates. And I have to say that I adore her for her capacity to challenge such established notions.
The characters on TV -who were perhaps 20ish- symbolize the cultural narrative (in which monogamy is the prevailing precept, which is, I dare say, subtly inferred inside the statement I will love you forever,) and their love-pledge illustrates the concept of everlasting love and the assumption that it exists for most, regardless of the level of its participants’ emotional intelligence, which I think informs the possibility of everlasting love. Emotional intelligence is grown, acquired, through relationship experience, and by questioning relationship dynamics and learning various ways of operating inside of them. I also believe that acknowledging the very real truth that most relationships end or at the very least change/shift/morph into something else is part and parcel of acquiring it. One learns through experience exactly what love means inside of long-term relationships – in all of their beauty; tinged with adversity, jealousy, longing, tension and communication mishaps that are sure to make even the most passionate of us ask, What is all of this love business for, anyway? But that is the nature of love, isn’t it? It makes us question who we are. What we want. Provokes us to procure a value system with this particular notion firmly embedded - I truly believe I will love you forever. Therefore I will.
But on some level she’s right, my daughter. We cannot know with absolute, unfettered certainty who we will love tomorrow, just as we cannot now with certainty that Magic Mike will do well at the box office. My guess is that it will, simply because the opportunity for women to objectify men in such blatant regard doesn’t present itself often enough – and we ladies, yes, we have sex drives too – we wouldn’t dare miss the opportunity to objectify a hot guy in our patriarchal society. Especially when the simple observance of Channing Tatum’s abs is the equivalent of eating two pints of Cookies and Cream, but without those pesky calories. Deliciousness.
I digress.
But she’s also not quite correct. Because the truth is that we do have the capacity for long-term love. I hope anyway. I posed this question the other day on Facebook and was inundated with many thought-provoking responses. My question was this,
Do you believe one can sincerely, authentically commit, in real-world application, not metaphor, to loving someone else for the rest of their lives? Is futuristic love predictable? Or is the phrase “I will love you forever,” simply a symbolic statement we use to convey the emotional weight that we feel presently?
I entered into the conversation with an admittedly cynical attitude. I know, personally, that my own emotions are, or at least can be, fleeting feelings. They are part of my body’s machine, integral to its mechanical process, but not something that has to drive me. I possess them, endure them if I have to, revel in them when I feel so inclined, and perhaps I occasionally avoid them. But can I commit to the emotion I feel at any given time? Can I predict its occurrence? Can I say, I am going to be mad as hell next Thursday at 1:15. Whoooo, My ass is going to be chapped right then.
No, of course not. So can I say with certainty, I will love you next Thursday at 1:15 ?
Of course it’s not quite so black and white. Generally, anger requires provocation in order to manifest. But what about love? Does it need to be cultivated? I thought it did. But I learned -or was perhaps reminded- through my interaction with my Facebook friends … that love is different that way.
Love is a choice.
And it is inside of that choice that makes love have a power, a power that other emotions do not possess, and never will. Love is acceptance, in every sense of the word. It does not require reciprocity, nor does it need to be redacted as an act of vengeance or ego-preservation. Like choosing to love, taking love away is a choice made by the person who has offered it. It is my choice to love someone. And within that space of loving, truly and honestly loving someone without ego or expectation … I am given a gift.
Sounds new-agey, I know.
Because really? Love? That is a power that resides in me. It’s free, it doesn’t cost a thing – not my self-respect, not my self-worth, nor my vitality, well-being, satisfaction, fulfillment or by ability to self-express. In it, with love, I sacrifice nothing. It is unlimited. And it gives back immeasurably. Fills me up, nourishes my spirit. Reminds me that I am not alone in this world. To give love is to get it in return. Even if the object of my love does not grant his or her love back to me, I will still get it in return – from someone else. I believe that.
I have to believe that.
I tell my daughter I will love her forever, and I am certain that I will. I cannot imagine not loving her, you see, and this is where the idea of loving forever, and the sentiment attached to it, might very well originate. The sheer unfathomable-ness of such a scenario is so weighted, so impossible to construe, that I avoid even contemplating it. I see that this is where the power lies – in loves ineffable nature.
This is how big love is.
So big that we don’t ever want it to stop.
I certainly would never say to my daughter, I think I will love you forever, although don’t quote me on that, because I don’t know how I will feel in the future. That would just be mean. And inaccurate. And it would do nothing to help her cultivate the emotional intelligence I know she has the capacity for, and it would leave her muddled to the possibilities that loving can create.
We want to be loved. We need to be loved.
And we need to love.
So, to my daughter I say this – “No, Babygirl, you can’t predict your emotions or where and how they will show up down the line. But love? Love is different, which I guess is why it is so very special. And I promise you, I PROMISE you, my darling love, that love is something you can count on me for …
Forever.”
“It isn’t possible to love and part. You will wish that it was. You can transmute love, ignore it, muddle it, but you can never pull it out of you. I know by experience that the poets are right: love is eternal.” ~E.M Forster




Beautiful piece!
My thought? You can’t commit to FEEL love forever, but you can commit to ACTING in a loving manner forever. Love is a noun *and* a verb.
Thia, I totally agree
Wow, Sadie. Have you been spying on me? This piece is exactly what I need to hear right now and is more applicable to my life at the moment than you can possibly imagine. Thanks for giving me something to contemplate. Just, wow.
The idea that love is a choice I make and not something that just happens to me has been, for some reason, revolutionary.
Hi Sadie, I’ve been a lurker on your blogs for some time, but have never posted before. I have found you to be insightful and very helpful in navigating my own burgeoning open relationship.
I loved this post but I disagree with one thing. I don’t think love is a choice. I don’t remember ever choosing to love my daughter, I just did. From long before she was even born, that love was there, growing inside me. But I think the love for your child is different, unending and unconditional, the one kind of love that you can guarantee.
I did not make a decision to love my wife. I did at one point early on think to myself “I think I could love her”, but the love it’s self developed on it’s own, without my active intervention to make it happen. Although you’re right, while I don’t know why I wouldn’t, I can’t say for certain that I will love her next Thursday at 1:15. The choice I make isn’t to love but to nurture and protect that love, because while I don’t know for sure that I will, I certainly want to still love her next Thursday at 1:15.
I see what you’re saying. But isn’t that choice you make to nurture and protect the love you have … love itself? I understand the deep, abiding feeling of loving someone, but when that strips away (or steps away, because it isn’t always present, is it? – or is it?) isn’t what we have left the actions, the intentions of continuing it?
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I found your old site through a google search for something unrelated to open marriage. The home page has the news about the divorce and I paged back thorough it a while to learn more.
Here are some thoughts, not in any particular order.
1) Why do we pay so much attention to rights and so little to responsibilities? This op-ed from the NY Times touches the subject http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/opinion/the-downside-of-liberty.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
I ask because my approach to parenting in the wake of my divorce is to put the kids first. They didn’t ask for this and my responsibility is to do my best to give them the life they would have had in an intact family. I’m not saying this as a counterpoint to your life and choices. It is just what I happened to do.
2) love, trust, honor, respect, desire. This is what a relationship needs, in both the verb and adjective form, eg, one must love and be lovable, trust and be trustworthy, etc. Many times, people use the word love and they mean something along the lines of “I like how I feel when I’m with you.” or “I like what you do for me.” I think that love is primarily sacrifice, a willingness to sacrifice. In this case, I think you and I disagree about what love means. You might say that I am fixated on just one aspect of love. You may be right.
3) I don’t know what expectations I should try to set for my daughter. I know people who have been married for 25 years, and I would certainly talk up the benefits of security, etc., of a long marriage. But maintaining it is hard. Dan Savage, with his GGG initiative, seems to me to be on the right track. I was talking with a friend last night and I said that in my experience, we have time for one thing in addition to a job. When we are single, we have hobbies. When we are married, we have family. There is usually very little time available outside of family time. Time spent in search of sexual fulfillment takes time away from family. For someone in a sexually unsatisfying marriage, what can be done? Good, Giving and Game seems like a better way than divorce.
4) I have yet to learn about any open marriage that didn’t end in divorce. Perhaps those are the only ones I hear about.
5) John Gottman http://www.gottman.com/ in one of his books, said that couples need to maintain a ratio of 4:1 positive to negative interactions. When the ration drops below that, bad things happen.
6) I read “The Love They Lost” by Stephanie Staal as I was getting divorced. My ex grew up in a divorced household, her father did and her mother’s mother left her husband for a while (I think she was mentally ill) I think that high conflict family life can hurt kids into adulthood. Barry Grosskopf wrote in “Forgive Your Parents and Heal Yourself” that divorce is like a funeral without a body. Kids are forced to grieve the loss of something that they don’t really understand and bury the grief until adulthood when they dig it up and process it. I think kids say that they are handling it because it is what they think adults want to hear. I don’t know that they are handling it.
Best of luck.
I think the distinction is that “Love Forever” is unconditional. A parent’s love for a child is written into their bones: whether that child grows up to be a Nobel Prize winner or a murderer, the love for them is always there. I think that’s the way it should be.
However, when it comes to romantic and sexual relationships, love tends to be conditional. Conditions like respect, mutual support, intimacy, kindness, and fidelity come to mind. Take one away, and it becomes relatively easy to fall out of love.
The Hollywood picture of romantic love as everlasting is not necessarily incorrect, but it’s certainly not unconditional. You referred to love as a choice and a behavior, both of which I agree with. But I think that when a couple states that they will love each other forever, a more realistic way to phrase it would be to say that they will try. You can choose to continue behaving in a loving way, but that love is an emotion and subject to change. We age, and we are no longer the person we once were. The one you love can change until you don’t love them anymore, or they can stay the same and you can change in the things that you love until you no longer love them. The elderly couples that have been together since high school made the choice and did the work, but they also got incredibly lucky. They were fortunate enough to grow and change in ways that let them keep feeling that love, or else they just feel stuck and they’re a lot more unhappy than they let on. But it’s still conditional love.
Maybe I’m cynical, but I don’t believe romantic love should ever be unconditonal. To feel that for a person in a partner role seems rather pathetic and sad to me. I don’t want to be loved unconditionally: the conditions are what make being loved an achievement. I want a woman to love me because I’m different, special, and better than the others that she could decide to be with instead.
Great post. This inspired a post of my own, here:
http://mystic-satyr.blogspot.com/2012/07/on-love.html